Lordship (LOADship) Salvation

LOAD-ship is a sinking ship 

This is something that came of a discussion on Facebook probably about 8 years ago, then I posted it in one of my first articles here when I first subscribed to Wordpress a couple years later. See if any of you can relate.

WARNING:  If you detect a proud or haughty teacher, one that loves to use theological mumbo jumbo instead of the Word itself — RUN in the opposite direction, God is resisting them, of that you can be sure.


For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’  But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.  Matt 23:3-8

Have you ever feel accused by ‘better Christians’ than you?

You know — the ones that generally let you know they are better, holier, more sincere? Or maybe they suggest that you are not even a Christian in their ‘humble opinion’? 🙂

  • Are you weary?
  • Discouraged?
  • Afraid you may be doing it wrong or thinking the wrong way?
  • Tired of all the conversations of different doctrines we hear about? (and the new sects within the factions coming up all the time)
  • Confused with the self aggrandizing terminology they love to use?
  • Is what they know and say important?
  • Does it line up with His Word — really?

They can be bullies, and sadly do not see their own bad fruit in their behavior inspecting doctrine. Some will tell you it is God’s truth, and that you need to listen to them or read one of their favorite (heaped up) teachers.  

(Recent addition: One commenter over at expreacherman actually suggested we needed a religious institution, or some logic and philosophy — what? 🙂 ) 

Often they’ll point you to one of the reformed or apostolic confessions as their foundation. Others may share how long they have been a believer (as if this equates to maturity). I can speak from my own long life as a believer, as not counting for much in the beginning).

Lordshippers may dangle their title as a teacher, author or even pastor. After a conversation with one pastor, he told me to go get my deceased husband before he’d speak to me any longer concerning Rick Warren. (I told the pastor I’d wait while he had a conversation with God, since my husband was with Him).

They frequently tout their education, or even amount or types of degrees they have or books they’ve consumed. Some adorn their names with these titles on FB (or other’s like apostle, prophet, etc.). For some (not all of course), this seems to solidify for them (in their own minds), that they have more knowledge of these important things than you. But do they? Or is it their twisted interpretations, Scripture taken out of context, or just plain traditional religious proof texting? I have found it is the latter most often.

It’s good to look for yourself, it’s called being a Berean or noble (Acts 17:11; 1 Thess 5:21).

What does the Bible say about holding yourself up as something?

For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.  2 Cor 10:12

2 Corinthians 5:12, says these men ‘glory in appearance and not in heart’. Further on in 2 Corinthians 10, it says in vs. 18, For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

So what should we look for in a man/woman and their doctrine? Understanding the gospel of grace has to be the very first thing. Does the Bible suggest you need a degree to understand His Word? Or much time learning with men, such as the ones they post daily above God’s Word itself? (i.e., Pink, Spurgeon, Augustine, Luther, Calvin, MacArthur, Piper, Ray Comfort, Paul Washer, R. C. Sproul, etc.) – 1 Cor 4:6. Or does the Word teach us we can be taught of Him if we will apply ourselves, studying with His approval as our motive? (1 Jn 2:26-27; Pr 22:17-21; 2 Tim 2:15)

(See my recent article on quoting errant scholars or ‘church fathers’)

saviour and Lord

Railers and Revilers

Some of these self-professed verbally abusive teachers are some serious railers. Others may not be quite like this, yet may be condescending, patronizing, or dismissive. Some of those railers may even call you names such as Jezebel (seems to be a favorite name for these men to call me (one was a KJVO pastor). Another Arminian famous pastor named Jacob Prasch called down Christ’s swift condemnation on me (for daring to question his views and usage of midrash). They will continue to foam at the mouth even when you use the Word of God to answer them-but you should always continue in His Word in firm kindness). The Bible instructs us that we are not to keep company with one like them.

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.  James 4:6

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1 Cor 5:11

Those who elevate themselves above others

If they (or their friends) are elevating themselves, their specious knowledge or extraordinary understanding — they are people you should hear (in their humble opinion). They’ll throw around their type of ‘hermeneutics’ (method of interpretation), or suggest you have poor ‘eisegesis’ or ‘exegesis’. Be very wary, they are likely puffed up, if they can’t speak with great plainness of speech (2 Cor 3:12).

If someone just “loves” this pastor or that pastor, with no willingness to examine this same pastor’s teachings to God’s Word, be caution, be noble (Acts 17:11). If you rarely hear them speak of their LOVE for God’s Word, but instead hang on every word of these men they love — be concerned for them, pray for them, but guard yourself, because they may very well drag you into their error (2 Cor 11:3-4). If not for your benefit, think of the one(s) that may cause to stumble. Walk wisely, but be gentle (Matt 10:16).

Don’t hold up men above God’s Word, remember — none of these men/women died for us (1 Cor 3:4-9). We are told that He will teach us from His Word and His Word is true (1 John 2:27; Prov 22:17-21; John 17:17). They are trying to seduce you to their way of thinking (2 Tim 3:13-17). Let’s spend time there in His Word first before anything else, studying to show ourselves approved to HIM (2 Tim 2:15) as our only goal. If we’ve missed, then get back in there. If we make a mistake (doctrinally speaking), then hold up your mistake in the light next to His Word, so that others might see for themselves what the Word says. Don’t be afraid to admit wrong. Never be reticent to receive criticism — if it is done with the Word, and spoken in love. A person who is correcting you in the right manner will be made known to your conscience (2 Tim 2:23-26; 2 Cor 4:1-2). But don’t be fooled just because they seem mild in manner. Take heed to the doctrine (Acts 20:25-32; 1 Tim 4:16), save yourself, deliver others from error too, to the best of your ability.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.  And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.  1 John 2:26-28

I had a conversation with someone involved with Lordship doctrine the other day(better called loadship – the load too heavy to bear). It didn’t last long, as it usually does not if you question them with His truth. They don’t seem to see how often they point to >self.

  • What it is that >THEY do.
  • What >THEY are not doing, or
  • What >THEY never did.

You just do not see them pointing others >to Christ (alone) and >His work on the cross. They will ‘SAY’ they are pointing people to Christ, and say it’s about ‘His glory’ all the while they are corrupting His name’s sake. It is >HIS cross by the way not ours. It is >HIS preservation of the saints, not our perseverance. HE keeps us by HIS power (1 Pet 1:3-5).

If someone is not pointing a lost person to the right gospel, or pointing a struggling saint to spending time with the Lord in His Word, then they are pointing you in the wrong direction.  Flee…

Recommendation on understanding Lordship (Perseverance of the Saints)

I suggest this title regarding the difference between the RC and Calvinist/Arminian teaching of Perseverance of the Saints (which John MacArthur says is synonymous with Lordship) vs. the Preservation of the Saints. Available for both kindle or paperback. Barnes and Nobles, or you may order the book on amazon.com, or possibly Northlandchurch.com sells it directly.


This is something that came to mind while I was praying, I wasn’t even thinking about Lordship salvation at the time, but these passages made me think. This is not at all intended to be a doctrinal discourse on the Word,  just some verses that came to mind I thought I’d share for your own consideration.

What happened to Thomas?

Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; And reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:27-28

At that moment, Thomas was fully convinced that this was Jesus risen from the dead.

But, Thomas had ALREADY believed Jesus had risen from the dead (Thomas was already saved/declared clean below). And Jesus WAS already his Lord and his God WHEN he believed earlier.

When did Jesus declare His 11 disciples ‘already clean’ because of the Word He spoke’?

Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.  For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.  John 13:10-11

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.  John 15:3

Thomas was ALREADY sanctified, a believer. So, all believers need time learning, hearing His Word to grow in faith. And for the 11 believing disciples, they were present pre-, during and after the cross, so they had a unique position in time — faith looking forward to the promises, faith in the present revelation in the knowledge that He had the words of eternal life, and faith looking backwards to His work on the cross.

Demons believe

Loadship people frequently wrongly use James 2 regarding the demons believing and trembling. This they do to attempt to qualify different kinds of belief. They falsely say we ‘don’t want Him to be Lord of our lives’. Prayerfully and obediently, we yield more and more of ourselves to Him over time with the Lord in His Word. But I do not see it as ‘making’ Him Lord, or about the amount of submission or surrender, or how much sin you have turned from. These are all works and cannot be applied to receiving the free gift of eternal life. These good works come through time with Him in our walk, and growing in His grace. We are also fed as we show our love by feeding His sheep. We are discipled by remaining/continuing in the Lord and His Word (as He told believers to do in John 8:31-32). This is part of our practical or progressive sanctification.

He is our Lord and our God no matter what. He is our Lord and God (personally) the moment we believe. We begin to recognize it if we will submit more and learn more of Him. It is not about we are ‘just accepting Him as Savior and not as Lord’ (their way of mis-characterizing those of us who disagree with their faulty doctrine).

He is already Lord of all!

Jesus is Lord of all. We do not bring it about His Lordship by something we ‘do‘, (such as ‘commit to‘ or ‘surrender to‘ or ‘make Him Lord of all’). Never as part of the free gift of salvation.

Again I believe the fact that He is Lord (kyrios; the title means literally we believe He is GOD, the Messiah). This is inextricably linked together with who He is, central to our belief on Him as Savior. How can it be otherwise? Only God is Savior (Isaiah 43:11), Jesus is God the Messiah. We are either a new creation in Him or we are not His.  But do not look at my works or external performance and say, “you are not a new creation” or you are a false convert or ‘you are a reprobate’ (made up loadship terminology that has all been used on me). He made us a new creation the moment we believed. Perfected forever (Heb 10:10-14).

Some of us are slower to learn, or more stubborn, maybe we need more time to unlearn bad doctrine — and yet others become blinded, shortsighted, barren & unfruitful, because they do not add to their faith — Not following this exhortation in 2 Pet 1:5-9 will hinder an ‘abundant entrance’ into heaven. But if He began the work when we believed, He will finish it by His Spirit. So walk in the Spirit so you won’t fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal 5:16; Rom 6:12). Jesus will keep us and He is able to present us faultless on that day (see some passages here).

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.  2 Cor 5:17

Again, Jesus Christ is the one who makes us a new creation.

The passage above is not another proof (by their fruit inspection) of whether is someone is “truly” a Christian —Although they frequently use it incorrectly along with Matt 7:21-23.  It is the second nature that we receive when we are born again of the incorruptible seed, the Word of God (1 Pet 1:23).


Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.  Matt &:21-23  

(All non-believers are workers of iniquity, children of disobedience, the unrighteous).

Look up John 6:28-29, John 6:38-40, Rom. 10:3-4, 1 Cor 1:30-31

Answer questions regarding the passage in Matthew 7 above.  Also refer to vs. 15 on to know it is false prophets being spoken about.  See this article too.

  1. Who are the people in Matt 7:15-23What are they inwardly?
  2. What do they look like outwardly?
  3. What do you see to be the works God wants us to do in Jn 6:28-29 (These people were asking Jesus what works they could do. Rather Jesus told them to believe on Him.)
  4. What works did these false prophets justified themselves by? Matt 7:22 (Please notice that Jesus never denies that these false prophets did wonderful works.)
  5. What do you see to be the will of the Father in John 6:39-40? It is to believe and to know He will keep you eternally.
  6. Note that He NEVER KNEW them (Look up John 10:9-14, particularly note 14, they were not His). They had never believed on Him to save them, (like the rich young ruler trusting his goodness and riches, they were trusting in something else (their own wonderful works).
  7. Sadly they call Him Lord, Lord… (Load-ship teachers certainly do that, and they accuse the sheep falsely by saying we don’t want to submit to His Lordship. Not true, we just do not submit to their false definition of what it means in relation to receiving the free gift of eternal life.)
  8. When they faced Jesus what did these workers of iniquity try to justify themselves or boast by? (see Ps 94:4; Eph 2:8-9)
  9. Ask yourself, who did these false prophets in Matt 7:13-25 glory in? In His work or theirs? What was their claim to enter?  Is it about what God did in their life? Or about how radical or authentic a disciple they are? Aren’t they glorifying what THEY had been doing?
  10. Did they tell Him believed He was the narrow way? (John 14:6; Matt 7:13-14), the strait gate/door, the only way to enter (Ps 118:19-22; John 10:1-9)? Was their foundation upon the Rock/Stone (Matt 7:25; 1 Cor 10:1-5) or upon their works (Ps 94:4; Eph 2:8-9; Rom 4:1-5; Rom 11:6; Gal 2:16)?

Here is the passage mentioned earlier about James 2


BUT THESE PEOPLE SAY, YOU CAN’T JUST BELIEVE! John MacArthur says it’s “hard to believe”.  Others mock it as “easy-believism”. Or they’ll qualify it as ‘mental assent’. When were demons ever offered eternal life?

They usually quote only part b of this passage:

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:19-20  

Ask yourself a few more questions: What is the difference between the believers in James faith and Abraham’s “work”?

What was his work? Obedience? Trust? Belief? Faith in God as being Lord and God for eternal life???  In this reference, it can’t be the latter. Because Abraham was not declared righteous decades later when he offered up Isaac. Abraham was already justified eternally before God while he was still uncircumcised (Rom 4:9-12). He had been circumcised since Isaac was 8 days old, so we know he was justified far before that.

James 2 is about justification before men — or otherwise known as demonstrating to others a working, useful faith (instead of looking just like the world, and essentially being of no help to another).

No doubt there is a different type and object of belief between Abraham and demons. Demons do not come to a saving faith and are not offered eternal life in Christ. Yet they still believe there is one God and they tremble knowing their end. It still remains that we are not saved by works  — not before, and not after either (finishing in the flesh – Gal 3:1-5). We also know that scriptures do not contradict other scriptures. We cannot work for eternal life, but once we are saved, we SHOULD want to do what God asks, it is an outward sign to others of our living and working faith in Him.

Who are we to judge another man’s servant? (Rom 14:4-5) if you doubt their sincerity, use the only remedy. Preach the gospel, or the Word. Ask them WHAT they believed. THAT is the ONLY gauge to test them by, NOT your fruit inspection…

In Acts 26, when Paul spoke in front of King Agrippa, he shared about the story of how he became a believer/Christian. He asked Agrippa if he believed the prophets, but answered for him, saying he knew he did.  Right after, Agrippa said the saddest words (or possibly sarcastic, yet still sad), “You almost persuade me to become a Christian.” (vs 28). So Agrippa believed the prophets who spoke for God before, but didn’t place his faith in Jesus the Messiah who God has spoken through in these last days. (Heb 1:1-2)

I believe in His Word, the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation when I believed. What Jesus did for us when He died for our sins, and was buried and rose again from the dead (as we will too). He alone had the power to take His life back up again, proving He is God and that He had the victory over sin, death and the grave (Jn 10:17-18; 1 Cor 15:50-58). That in believing, He is our Lord and our God, and His Word works in those of us who believe. So get into the Word!

For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.  I Thess 2:13

But people…

Are you self-righteous, or holier than thou — a hypocritical judge? You cannot know their hearts, do not judge another man’s servant, to his own Master he stands or falls…(Rom 14). The first works they should be doing, are loving and spending time with Him (Lk. 10:38-42). But YOU do not know their hearts. But the Lord knows your heart, so humble yourself under His mighty hand if you know Him, and feed His sheep if you love Him (1 Pet 5:5-7; Jn 21:15-17).


♦ Stop accusing them!  

♦ Preach the Word if they don’t know it (or are carnal).

♦ Preach the Gospel if you do not believe they are saved.

Or ask yourself, is it possible you yourself have not believed the foolish message? Or have you added to it later, and become a hypocrite, no longer being straightforward about the truth of the gospel? (Galatians 2:11-16). PLEASE, ask yourself, have you believed upon Him as Your Savior? That is adding NOTHING that you can do, NOTHING you can bring.

REPENT!! (Change your mind about thinking you can do something for your salvation!

Change your thinking about your works contributing before, during or after!) BELIEVE!  Only He can be your righteousness, and God will give no man His glory so consider whether all your books and your boasting of what you are doing for God (in public) is truly a God-centered gospel… Refresh yourself in the book of John.  God bless some eyes to be opened.


We are sanctified positionally, the moment that we believe. But we are also sanctified over time (progressively/practical or ongoing cleansing), as we cooperate to walk in or be filled with the Spirit (ongoing) much happens in our walk — which starts with faith in Christ. It grows from there, if we do the needed thing — to abide in the Lord and in His Word.  (Lk 10:38-42)

Commend others to the Word of His Grace… (Acts 20:32) Do not offend the little ones by your words of accusation.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Pet 1:5-8


We are tried, our faith increases, we read His Word, our faith grows.  Rom 10:17; 1 Peter 1:6-8

If we fellowship, we can grow in grace and His knowledge together.  Phil 2:1-3; 2 Pet 3:18

We learn to submit under His mighty hand and to each other, as we increase in knowledge and understanding of Him by studying His Word.  Knowing He will establish us. (I Pet 5:5-11)

We humble ourselves, (or ask Him to) because we don’t want to be resisted and we do want to draw near to Him.  James 4:6-8

As we are in the meat of His Word over time, we are able to understand the differences between good and evil (Heb 5:15).

And as we spend time learning about His goodness, His forbearance and longsuffering towards us, that goodness leads us (believers) into repentance in areas we are struggling in.  (Romans 2:4; 2 Cor 7:8-11)

His Word cleanses us, keeps us from sin, sanctifies us, counsels us, gives us direction, lights up our way, revives us, replenishes us and more, so we need to HEAR His Word. (Eph 5:26; Ps 119:9-11; Ps 119:24; Ps 119:30, 105, 25, 28; Rom 10:17).

Through all that and much more, we realize how much more we want to be His servant, how grateful we are that He is our Lord.  But He IS Lord.  We don’t make Him Lord, He IS.  He is the One able to present us faultless.  If He began that good work in the Spirit, it is a good work, and He will complete it by the Spirit not the flesh (Gal 3).  We can have confidence in His workmanship.

As Jesus showed Himself to Thomas, to His disciples, they believed, even though they had lost their faith, they were already His.  And the ones who believe?  They have believed He is Lord.  I confess Jesus Christ is my Lord.   Confession doesn’t give me eternal life, believing does (Jn 12).  I am not saved because I made Him Lord by anything I did or will do, but because He IS Lord, (kyrios: God, the Messiah) and always will be to any believer, submissive or not, carnal or not, He is their Master, and He is able to make them stand.  He is Lord of all, even the unsaved demons.  But He is not their Savior.

I believe in my heart and I am righteous only because of Christ.  Because He is the resurrection and the life (eternal).

Do you believe?

Once we are saved, He dwells within us (Rom 8:9). This was His plan to dwell us from the beginning. Jesus Christ is MY LORD and MY SAVIOR, because I believed in Him to save me. He will do the work in me. We need to spend time with the One who transforms us by the renewing of our minds (Rom 12:2).  Since the Word increases our faith, shouldn’t we apply ourselves to learn it to grow in faith?  How much time do we spend in “Christian” activities, books, music, movies, service, etc.? Or even secular activities? I am not trying to make anyone feel guilty, but if you are not growing, ask yourself if you are drinking from the right cistern.  

Are you being a good Berean (Acts 17:11)?  

Are you REALLY proving all things (1 Thess 5:21)?

Do you check out the Scriptures to see if what your teacher says is really so?

Let’s examine ourselves prayerfully and not forget to spend time at His feet first and foremost, “hearing His Word”, the one thing that won’t be taken from us.

Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house.  And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus’ feet and heard His word.  But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me.”  And Jesus answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her.”  Luke 10:38-42

God bless those He will to hear what He wishes, whatever is shared here that is of use.

14 Responses to “Lordship (LOADship) Salvation

  • Debbie w
    13 years ago

    Glory to God for His Word! Truth!

  • Only those who obey are saved. Period. No obedience, no salvation. Easy Believism and “Lord, Lord” Salvation is a false teaching.

    • Only those who obey the gospel are saved period. Plenty of people obeying precepts in the Bible sometimes far better than carnal Christians. But easy believism is a misnomer, it is easy, a free gift, accept it, believe Isaiah’s report. That is what obeying the gospel is. (Rom 10:14-17) You only need to look at those at Galatia to know that by adding works even after the fact, they were “hindered from obeying the truth”. (Gal 5). People are either saved by the hearing of the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16-17, 1 Cor 1:17=18) or they are not saved. People should very careful about these man made labels that imply we must do more, including, the ‘easy believism’ label. Just pray on that and see if perhaps that might hinder someone from obeying the truth, by being bewitched into somehow thinking they can finish in the flesh.

      We need to point people to Jesus and His Word.

      • Stephen, to obey the gospel we must receive it by faith. No works of merit enter the picture on our behalf otherwise we are trying to earn heaven and will come up short.

        Thanks Holly,

        I appreciate your solid stand for the truth of the gospel.

        Jim F

        • Thank you Jim for coming by and commenting, I also appreciate your blog, and your friendship in Christ. Holly

  • These loadship religious teachers are giving the people loads too heavy to bear. They are shutting up the kingdom of heaven to others as well as to themselves.

  • Hi Holly, I used to be free grace like you guys are. But now I am considering to change my mind. I think that both Free Grace and Lordship Salvation might be wrong. The reason is that both Free Grace and Lordship salvation may have misrepresented the true nature of salvation. Salvation means to be saved from sins (Matthew 1:21) and hell. According to my observation, when talking about salvation, both Free Grace and Lordship salvation focuses on being saved from Hell only. A.W. Pink once said that “The nature of Christ’s salvation is woefully misrepresented by the present-day evangelist. He announces a Saviour from Hell rather than a Saviour from sin. And that is why so many are fatally deceived, for there are multitudes who wish to escape the Lake of fire who have no desire to be delivered from their carnality and worldliness.” I believe both Lordship salvation and Free Grace have committed the error said by A.W.Pink.

    The Error of Lordship salvation is that it requires people to turn from sins “BY HIMSELF” in order to be saved, which adds works to salvation.

    And the possible error of Free Grace theology is that it focuses on being saved from hell only, while has forgotten that salvation means being saved from Hell And Sins, not just hell.

    • Hi Xavier, appreciate your comment. I’d like to correct something. I don’t identify as free grace, although I agree with a lot of what some of them stand for. Matthew 1:21 does say He came to save His people from their sins (speaking of Israel) but how?

      He is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29). He was the Saviour, promised to Israel, and what does He offer? Forgiveness of sins (Acts 5:31; Acts 13:38) and of course eternal life (Rom 6:23). That is what the apostles preached, …through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins.

      A.W. Pink is a Calvinist lawkeeper, who forbade even the exchanging of gifts, he is not a man I would ever take teaching from. That’s like drinking from another cistern. Stay with His Word, there you will find the truth.

      The error of Lordship is a little more than that, but they require people to turn from their sins in order to receive the free gift of eternal life (yes, adding works to salvation). But like A.W. Pink who was most certain load-ship (my preference of the term), they add other conditions to prove you are ‘really saved’.

      I don’t think that free grace theology has forgotten that. They teach being saved from the penalty of sin, and being saved from the power of sin in our lives.

      Listen friend, think on it this way. If we love Jesus, we trust in the power of His Word to work. We feed and tend His sheep (John 21:15-17). We labor in love for them. Not once did the disciples/apostles accuse others of not being saved (no not even in 2 Cor 13:5). And there are plenty of examples of believers/brethren not living victoriously. We need to keep pointing them to Christ (for apart from Him they can do nothing – John 15:4) and to continuing in His Word (John 8:31-32) so we can know the truth and the truth can set us free. This is how believers become disciples.

      No ungodly sinner without strength (Rom 5:6-8) has the desire to be “delivered from their carnality and worldiness.” How would it be possible without having the power of the Holy Spirit? Now we can war with the flesh, but not before. Don’t put the cart before the horse, and get more time in the Word and run from the poison of people like A.W. Pink. Said in love for the waste of time in my life that I spent on those people.

      • HI Holly, I guess it does not mean that one needs to stop sinning in order to be saved, because nobody can stop sinning.

        But, it means if one just want to be saved from hell, but don’t want to be saved from SINS itself, he probably WOULD not place their faith on the gospel of JEsus Christ for salvation.

        ITt’s just like if you don’t feel hungry, you will not eat.

        I guess when many people says they want to get saved, they just want to be saved from hell only.

        • Hi again Xavier! I think throughout Scripture we see people’s initial reaction is to want to be saved from judgment at the resurrection. Reading through Acts several times was really helpful to see. Then in the epistles we see that as people grew in the strong meat of His Word, they gained the more discernment between good and evil (Heb 5:12-14). Remember in our flesh, no good dwells. So we don’t even have the ability to think right.

          Plus there are a lot of things we don’t recognize as sin such as pride, or gluttony, or laziness, or not even doing good when we know we should. I don’t like to make those kind of statements, because a lost sinner is dead in those sins, and if we think somehow they’ll have even the right motives, we’re probably barking up the wrong tree.

          I think it’s why Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him 3 different times and answered with either feed or tend my sheep (John 21:15-17). Also we see in John 13, Jesus washing their feet, and telling them to do the same for others, a picture of practical/experiential sanctification. We need each other to grow. We need His Word to grow. And we need His Spirit first of all (born of the Spirit) before we can evern dream of wanting to want to do right.

          I was a little girl when I first believed, and you are absolutely right, I wanted to be saved from hell. And as I grew, my loving Savior had laborers in the harvest, members of the body, washing my feet, feeding me and tending me. Praise God for them, and I hope to be one and the same. I don’t want to be a mini-accuser of the brethren, but one who shows Jesus love by taking care to point His sheep to the Word and time spent with Him (Lk 10:38-42), the one thing that will never be taken from us.

          • Xavier
            10 months ago

            actually my concern is, what if someone trust Jesus Christ, but they just want to be saved from hell, but they don’t expect, or don’t want to be saved from sins, do you think they can still save?

          • Hi again. I would rather say that we have to teach them how to become sanctified. There is church discipline for those who do not care about sin in their lives. We only need to look at 1 Cor 5. Paul said they were behaving worse than the unsaved. It’s shameful. We know this. And we also know from Romans 7:15-25, that we will still sin until we are delivered from this body of sin. Some didn’t care, Paul said they did not so much as mourn about this grievous sin. Yet they were still saved.

            Just because we’re dismayed about how people behave, we need to be so very careful that we do not change the condition of receiving eternal life, which is to believe (John 5:24; 6:28-29, 40, 47; Eph 2:8-9; Rom 4:1-6 and so forth).

            Jesus told the people who had just believed in Him to continue in His Word to become disciples (John 8:31-32) and we should too.

      • HAve you ever heard about a “free grace” channel called jacksmack77 on youtube. It seems that (if i don’t misunderstand his meaning), in one of his videos, he openly stated that he doesn’t believe salvation includes being saved from the power of sins.

        You can see his video here: (video removed by admins in the case of issues)

        • I have heard of him and haven’t listened except once a little a long while ago, and it seemed he was a bit harsh for my taste. Thank you for the link, but I probably just don’t have the time to get to it.

          I will say that we are ‘being’ saved from the power of sin as we cooperate to walk in the Spirit, to war against our flesh, to not be conformed to this world but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.

          If he says it is not automatic, I’d have to agree, as we see in examples in Scriptures, some didn’t grow at all and some lost their lives (1 Cor 11 for an example).

          Thanks for commenting, God bless you, Holly

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