Jack Hibbs & 2 Corinthians 13:5

I had a question about Jack Hibbs in my comments. It was regarding Pastor Hibbs and his take on 2 Corinthians 13:5 and a couple of other points. I thought it would make a decent enough article for those who hear these people and feel something is wrong and yet can’t quite put their finger on it.

Before any of you accuse me of saying he is not saved, or anything else, please read carefully and prayerfully. This is not what I’m saying. This is about encouraging the beloved to make wise choices about who you hear, and who you might refer others to (we can all make mistakes). I appreciate when pastors make a stand for God. But let’s tremble at His Word (Is 66:2) and be ever so careful with His gospel.

QUESTION ABOUT JACK HIBBS

This website has really been a blessing. Thank you!

I do have a question/article suggestion if you take them:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRDPO9YWvwk

Is there any way you could address the message in this video?

This pastor (Jack Hibbs) made waves by openly announcing Jesus is the Son of God in congress. Which was really inspiring.

But upon further review, I fear his message has leaven. But he gives somewhat mixed messages. I haven’t figured him out.

  1. He talks about “faith” and “believe” aren’t the same thing – which sounds ridiculous.
  2. He says salvation is at an instant. And we aren’t saved by works.
  3. Then he talks about leaving an old church because they didn’t talk about repentance.

Any insight would be appreciated!

Thank you and God bless you.

RESPONSE

If you have checks about someone, it is probable that there is a good reason.

Generally speaking, Jack Hibbs has had some bad associations with people we should be marking and avoiding (Romans 16:17). He is inconsistent, possibly because he speaks too much of his own words and in doing so, we can get into trouble.

A good way to listen to these videos is to examine the Scripture itself someone is speaking about first. Back up to see what context is, sometimes a few verses, or sometimes several chapters. Or in some cases (like Job) it would certainly be the entire book. I like to turn on the closed captions so I can see as well as hear the words, easier catch something that they’re saying, can be missed with all their rambling (at times).

In the first 2 minutes he makes several serious mistakes. He says “examine yourself to see if you be in the faith” is Paul’s admonition to Timothy (incorrect). He then adds that 1 and 2 Timothy is for all of us. However, this verse was not found in 1 or 2 Timothy and any pastor should know that well.

2 Corinthians 13:5 was not to Timothy but to the carnal Corinthians who were challenging him and his apostleship. It was not a pop quiz to see if they were really saved, that is poor handling of that Scripture.

He says it is for all believers. He’s incorrect, context has nothing to do with it being for all believers. Unfortunately, he uses this passage like Paul Washer does. This passage has nothing to do with us examining ourselves to see if we’re ‘really saved’. Maybe this is just a side effect of him hanging out with all these false teachers.

This passage is all about the carnal Corinthians who were questioning his (and the other’s) authority over them. Questioning whether or not he was really an apostle. And they are his defense (although he’s not really defending himself but doing it for their sake).

Paul knows these Corinthians are saved, he brought the gospel to them, and they believed. He identifies them as such, (bratty children such as they were), they are ‘betrothed to Christ’. He is afraid they are going to be led astray, and put up with those who bring another gospel or another Jesus. In 2 Cor 11, there are others trying to say they are apostles and Paul is not. But Paul is going to continue to do what he is doing to cut off their opportunity to somehow boast they are one of the apostles when they are not.

Paul has to again go through his list of credentials to the very ones he brought the gospel to and nurtured along as children. He speaks of where he came from, he is Jewish, he is a servant of Christ and was imprisoned for His cause. He’s been beaten by the Jews. He’s been stoned, shipwrecked, in peril in his journeys, let down the wall in a basket to escape death. He has seen visions and revelations, caught up to the third heaven, given a thorn in his flesh to keep him humble, even though he pleaded 3 times for it to be taken from him), we know God’s grace is sufficient for us.

In chapter twelve he says, For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing. Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. 11b-12

It’s sad, he says he is ready to come to them a third time. He loves them like children, but says the more he loves them, the less he is loved by them.

2 Corinthians 13 vs. 3 makes the point of what 2 Corinthians 13:5 and ‘examine yourself’ is speaking of. They are seeking proof of Christ speaking in him. And he is using the literary device of sarcasm to tell them to examine themselves to prove it. He has already called them brethren and beloved, he does not doubt they are saved. He says they are sinning and this verse that all these pastors want to misuse to keep their flock somehow in line (not saying he doesn’t make it right later, I don’t know). Although I didn’t really listen to him, I’ve avoided Hibbs for some time for his inconsistencies and associations, so I didn’t listen to the whole video.

But this verse (2 Cor 13:5) is saying they are the proof that Christ is speaking in Him, he asks, “Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?” unless… (again the literary device of sarcasm).

I can only surmise that these pastors who misuse this to scare their congregation into behaving are either dishonest, are lacking knowledge (or even time in His Word), or they are wolves.

Your takes on what is wrong there is good. The problems with churches ‘talking about repentance’ is that so many get the actual meaning of the word wrong. There is for sure a reason to point people to walking in the Spirit vs. the lusts of the flesh. And many are carnal and do not care about their behavior. But I have left far too many churches because the repentance they did talk about was false.

Now back to Jack Hibbs. Right after the first couple of minutes, he then comments about ‘true believers’ and they are ones ‘living the life of faith’. I would disagree with him on whether they are ‘true’ believers. A ‘true’ believer is one who has believed on Christ for the free gift of eternal life. Now whether or not one is a student (disciple) or walking in the Spirit is another story. It is important that we cooperate for the benefit of ourselves and others. So, he goes along and gets some things right (like we can be backslidden in the heart) and he understands that John is preaching that the Kingdom of God is ready to appear (not the message of Christ’s death on the cross). The trouble is, he seems to feel that the word repent always needs to be used. But it’s never used in John once — the one book that is evangelical in purpose (John 20:31).

Although I ‘kind’ of get his believer vs. faith message, (as far as wanting to see people grow), he makes errors that the Bible does not make. He says Abraham was not a believer in Jesus Christ but had faith in Jesus Christ, making a distinction that the Bible doesn’t make in the realm of salvation from hell. He was both, and to say differently is to go against a number of Scriptures (this is around 10 min in the video). Forgive me if I don’t want to listen longer. Life is too short. It’s better to use Scripture.

We know some people say they believe in Him, yet their faith is not in Him alone, but in their works, church etc. If we make a differential, then that should be the way we do it. It should not be about testing the quality of their ‘faith’ (or looking at works for proof). I can see a poor child being beat up because he/she didn’t yet understand repentance. Aren’t we to have childlike faith?

I hope that helped somewhat. I think these pastors may start out ok, then start trying to draw followers after themselves at some point. And they start adding channels and do all the social media, (which can be good), until the expository Bible preaching is replaced by sensational titles on videos and the pastor starts doing all the talking vs. letting His Word speak.

Look at my recommendation page, maybe you’ll find some pastors who you’ll get some ‘strong meat’ from (Heb 5:12-14).

The issue with people like Jack Hibbs is that they may get some things right, but then they are confusing at best in other areas. And when concerning the gospel, I have to draw the line.

Second Response from Redeeming Moments

I meant to add this passage earlier, but I’ll let it stand alone, because the video played on, I heard more error. So, I wanted to add something to what he said about the Parable of the Sower later.

Hibbs says John’s message was, ‘I am a sinner and I need repentance’.

Not quite…Of course we would need to believe we are sinners, or we wouldn’t have a reason to believe we needed a Savior. He states you cannot have salvation without understanding what repentance is. I could agree with him if he was saying to tell people what it does or does not mean.

Having a change of mind doesn’t mean I need to understand what repentance (a change of mind) is. I’ve either had it (repentance) regarding the truth or I haven’t changed my mind. We can convolute things by going too far with our own words.

This is what it says below in Acts 19:4 regarding the meaning of John’s repentance.

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

BTW, he seems to say a number of things that just aren’t quite right or are just plain wrong. Repent wasn’t the ‘first word out of the mouth of Peter, Paul and the other disciples before the gospel‘.

They spoke what the gospel itself was first. Not just John 3:16 (as Hibbs said the gospel was), but the message of the cross — who Jesus is, and what He did for all, including His resurrection from the dead. Then they ‘may’ (or may not) have used the word repent. Or they may not have used the word initially, but they might have explained what they needed to change their mind about and later used it (such as seen in Acts 17:22-31, ‘you ought not think’). Or again as in John, they may not have used it at all but the concept of different thinking in belief was there.

So back to the Parable of the Sower, maybe better related as the soils since it is mainly about readiness or fruitfulness. But if he wants to make a Kingdom Parable (see Matt 13) suddenly about whether one is a ‘true believer’ or not, he is making a mistake. In the parallel passage in Luke 8, vs. 12 makes it clear the ones saved are by belief.

‘Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved‘.

And the Bible said that soil believed. The issue was that the cares of this world had them not bringing fruit to perfection or ‘maturity’ in some translations (see Luke 8:14). Would Pastor Hibbs have said Nicodemus who labored in the gospel and was identified as such by the Spirit, because he loved the world and went back into it, had never been saved? Or do we more correctly see it as shown in this soil?

It’s wise to look at all parallel passages when coming to conclusions. To examine the point of this parable — which is not to suggest they are not believers (as Jack Hibbs stated). Again, any that believed were saved (although 2 of the 3 who had believed were not fruitful).

I’d encourage you to keep being a Berean, examine all the passages, when you listen to some like these, once you know something is off (leaven), stay away. That was another point of Jesus’ ministry, ‘beware of the leaven of the Pharisees.’

God bless you.

May we all be ‘zealous of good works’.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 Titus 2:11-13

11 Responses to “Jack Hibbs & 2 Corinthians 13:5

  • KC Anderson
    5 months ago

    Thank you Holly. I thought it was the video and I refused to listen to him, so I am grateful for your response.

    • Thanks for commenting KC, I’m with you on that…

      I have the same issue, once I know there are trouble with these people, I don’t like to hear them anymore either. He has called things ‘moves of God’ too that certainly were not. He’s got some other things to address, but it was enough just to address those errors. I truly was shocked that he said Paul addressed that to Timothy. It was a wow moment for me that a pastor wouldn’t know that by heart.

  • Hi Holly,

    This was my question. Thank you for the response!

    For clarity – in point #3 about repentance – I should have continued and said “he speaks of repentance in a way that implies you must change your works, not placing your faith in Jesus.” It sounded like he may have been preaching a lordship false gospel with that message.

    You answered all my questions and more. This website continues to be a blessing. Thank you!

    • Matt, you were right. Others have confirmed he teaches also that turning from sin is repentance. And that he is lordship. I made some edits and additions (and spell correct) 🙂 to my comment in my article. You are a blessing too, may the Lord just bless you in your walk with Him. Keep up with being a Berean. Acts 17:11 and 1 Thess 5:21 are two important reminders for me always. Thank you for continuing to read here, Holly

  • Mark A. Cook
    5 months ago

    Holly, I enjoy this site. But Facebook got too much for me so I have bailed from it at least for now. I would like to stay in touch. I am the one terrified of calvinism.

    • Mark, I know who you are 🙂

      The way to not be terrified, is to just continue in His Word. Facebook should probably be a little bit of one’s day. It can be overwhelming, even depressing for many because of the multitude of false doctrine to be found there. Yes, definitely stay in touch here, and keep sticking with His Word and sound teachers. Love in Christ.

      • Mark A. Cook
        4 months ago

        Thanks! I will add that I know that my brother’s ex and many at three megachurches are praying against me. Often, it is like I feel curses striking my body. They know the weaknesses to pray against. I wish God would intervene before I am destroyed.

  • Mark A. Cook
    4 months ago

    I have spent my whole life paying for the wrongs of other people. They always got away with it. During my brother’s divorce, the ex tried to rob me. My life and health fell apart while I spent endless hours scanning documents. Such has been the story of my life. Now, because of the divorce, the covid era mask, and other bad people, I am exhausted physically and mentally. I have stress-induced asthma. I have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. That further fans my worries of calvinism.

    • Mark, I’m so sorry for what you have gone through. If we dwell on the past, I don’t think we will grow stronger very quickly. I speak from one who has been in pain and sorrow. Phil 3:13-14 comes to mind for you.

      Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Phil 3:13-14

      Remember, Christ answered Satan with ‘it is written’. Your greatest weapon against fear is the Word of God. The more you know it, the better you will do against fear. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind (2 Tim 1:7). I hope the group Christians Explaining the heresies didn’t cause you fear. Sometimes just seeing too much of that junk can. That’s why a limited amount of time with places like FB, but a Maximum amount of time in His Word is the best choice that will never be taken from us (Lk 10:38-42). Read through John again, then continue from there. When you get into Acts, notice any time the death, or resurrection is noted. The conditions for eternal life. It’s not always as easy to understand, as the Jews would have understood then repent to mean a different thinking than they previously thought, and towards the person and work of Christ. Acts 19:4 spells it out. Go through Romans but with the understanding that 9-11 is spoken of Israel mainly.

      Have you listened to Northland Bible any? northlandchurch.com
      Or Spokane Bible? They have through the books classes.

      Also there is Grace Global Radio, all the pastors on there are grace-based and not Calvinists.

      https://www.graceglobalradio.org/

      Praying for you Mark.

  • Every time I read a new post, I feel like I’ve learned something valuable or gained a new perspective. Thank you for consistently putting out such great content!

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